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    I used to administer a rather sophisticated management training program in which those who couldn’t make it were fired. When I state the fact that affirmative action destroyed the integrity of the program, I am attacked, even though I am just the carrier of the bad news. How come?

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    Name : J. Whitelaw, Gender : M, Sexual Orientation : Straight, Race : White/Caucasian, Religion : Catholic, Age : 65, City : Palm Coast, State : FL Country : United States, Occupation : retired, Education level : Over 4 Years of College, Social class : Middle class, 
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    D. Rashid
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    There is more ground to be leveled before anything will be fair or equal in America. What is the history of Caucasian education? Well, in the recent past, it was illegal to teach blacks to read. It is still considered in some places appropriate to place minority children in classrooms where no educational curriculum is used. Would you consider educating minorities polluting the school system? The same difference exists in the work world. Children grow to adults. If they are not taught (allowed to learn) as children, then they don’t become adults who are able to compete academically/intellectually. However, the extremely intelligent minorities who are usually passed over because of the ‘old boy network’ (which still exists) are not in that pool of affirmative action recruits because they would have to be the supervisor/boss (given fair assessment of credentials). So I don’t believe you’re just the messenger. You’re the product of a racist society, which happens to reap the benefits.

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    Name : D. Rashid, Gender : F, Sexual Orientation : Straight, Race : African-Native American, Religion : Christian, City : Fairfax, State : VA Country : United States, Occupation : Information Specialist, 
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    David
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    Criticisms are a serious threat to victim status, so anyone who dare criticize a minority group (be they Black or White), is quickly condemned as a racist. The politics of victimization is very important to many African Americans. Maintaining Victimhood is paramount is order to rationalize the breakdown of civilization in the Black lower class, and justify quotas, preferences, and set-asides for the Black middle and upper classes. If Blacks were to loose their status of perpetual victims, millions would begin to question the fairness of race-based entitlement programs, and Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and many others in the civil rights establishment would suddenly find themselves unemployed. Also, victimization has become an opiate for many minorities, as racism is used as a convenient excuse to rationalize even the most personal of failures. It is impossible to simultaneously be a victim and a perpetrator. That is why the responsibility for the disparities in crime rates and academic performance are quickly reallocated to back to Whites – The ‘Look what White people made us do.’ Syndrome. It is also why Black Leaders will hold prayer vigils, press conferences, and marches over the Black victims of White crime, but ignore White victims of Black crime. There are differences in the caliber of public education a child may receive, but those differences are based on income level, not race. I also believe there are racists (both White and Black) in America, but not enough racism to thwart anyone’s aspirations. On a positive note, the more those who gain from victimhood need to point to distant past events, or rely on surreal, science fiction-esque conspiracy theories (see above response) to maintain their victim status, the less real racism I know exists today. In my opinion, If more Black leaders preached the values of personal responsibility, education, and hard work, rather than the politics of victimization, African Americans would have no use for raced base entitlements.

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    Name : David, Gender : M, Sexual Orientation : Straight, Race : White/Caucasian, Age : 36, City : San Francisco, State : CA Country : United States, Occupation : Manager, Education level : Over 4 Years of College, Social class : Middle class, 
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    Pete S.
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    I would ask this, did affirmative action really kill the integrity of the program, or did your perception of affirmative action kill the program? Chances are, if I extrapolate facts not in evidence, you are correct about affirmative action damaging the integrity of the program, but it is not politically correct to say so. For those who believe that they need affirmative action to succeed, the suggestion that this outdated sacred cow is responsible for anything negative is nothing short of blasphemy. Given the workings of affirmative action and the harsh realities of those who did not pass the course, I would not doubt that the integrity of your program was undermined by the politically correct busybodies monitoring the numbers and (particularly) the racial makeup of those who did not pass. The bottom line is that it is one thing to know something, it is something else altogether to say it. As long as we regard affirmative action as a sacred cow, you’re best off not to impugn its reputation.

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    Name : Pete S., Gender : M, Age : 51, City : Orlando, State : FL Country : United States, Education level : 4 Years of College, 
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    Renee
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    You say you used to administer a ‘rather sophisticated management training program in which those who couldn’t make it were fired.’ Well excuse me, but could you be any more vague?! I am an African American female who is currently in management at a medium sized corporation. I was fortunate, in that I was mentored, by a white female who felt that after decades of bastions of white males rapidly rising through the ranks, based on their cache in a very exclusive ‘old boys network,’ it was indeed time for a change. Prior to affirmative action I had seen white males with less experience, who were far less qualified leap frog over me and other minority and female employees, and into positions that we helped train them to get!! So don’t dare patronize and/or condescend to me about unqualified minority applicants (a conservative right-wing myth, and political red herring). I know the truth for I live it everyday. The bottom line is this; minorities and women in the workplace have upset the status quo of the white male. White males now have to compete with the rest of the world as their OWN affirmative action, free rides, and cozy little buddy systems are rapidly coming to a close, courtesy of the federal government, and equal opportunity clauses. They don’t like it one bit, hence all the pathetic whining about ‘the integrity of the program,’ being lost. As if a historically discriminatory society which shut women and minorities (like my college educated parents who have advanced degrees for instance…)out of the white collar workforce was so ethical, and full of integrity! I would be ashamed to hold the views that you do. As a 65 year old man, it’s incomprehensible to me, that one can live so long, yet be so ignorant of our society, and our American history. I am convinced you know full well, that you, and the white males you know in whatever corporate entity you reside, are not exactly tripping all over themselves to recruit minorities and women, yet you have the gall to want to do away with a little program that seeks to afford managerial training to those who have not had those kinds of choices handed to them on a silver platter as you have! How contemptible!

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    Name : Renee, Gender : F, Age : 27, City : Troy, State : MI Country : United States, Social class : Upper middle class, 
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    Exton
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    You are attacked by advocates of affirmative action because they feel that you missed the point of the exercise. From your perspective, you worked to make your program as efficient and effective as it could be at training people for management. Affirmative action, however, does not focus on efficiency or effectiveness; it works instead to force diversity to exist in the workplace, in order to acclimate the working public to said diversity. You’re correct to say that it destroys the program’s integrity, and it probably harms the company as a result, but as long as voters see discrimination continuing to exist, they will continue to prefer forcing diversity over enhancing productivity.

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    Name : Exton, Gender : M, Sexual Orientation : Straight, Race : White/Caucasian, Religion : nontheist, Age : 18, City : Medway, State : MA Country : United States, Education level : High School Diploma, Social class : Middle class, 
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